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Skoda

Pinka? i think she needs to chill a little bit and/or change her attitude (edited)

I'm good

i just wanna some contact with polish tulpamancers, help people,meet people

You shouldn't force yourself to be there until you change your own attitude

me? or Mat?

I just wanted Matt to consider taking some responsibility for his actions instead of finding demons in everyone else constantly

Pinka

I just wanted Matt to consider taking some responsibility for his actions instead of finding demons in everyone else constantly

daaamn right

but I've been waiting for that for over a year tbh

Pinka

I just wanted Matt to consider taking some responsibility for his actions instead of finding demons in everyone else constantly

it took a while for him,yeah...

1:53 PM

too bad that i've got hurt by his actions as well

1:54 PM

and i still do

Skoda

me? or Mat?

I refuse to consider you two completely different people in this talk. In my point of view, your conflicting emotions about stuff manifest stronger in either of your identities but eventually all of them belong to a one person who should accept all of the parts and work on it instead of keeping it separate.

Mon can you stop refusing to consider other people as different from you.

1:55 PM

Be it on religion or tulpa style.

Skoda

it took a while for him,yeah...

What exactly do you mean by "took a while" when he's still doing it?

Pinka

What exactly do you mean by "took a while" when he's still doing it?

that a lot of progress happened so far already,but still there are some things to do (edited)

to be honest I don't see it

1:56 PM

but I'd be glad if you could prove me wrong

1:56 PM

anyway, got a call at work, cheers

Pinka

to be honest I don't see it

because you don't want to see

I went to check twitter and and this channel turned into a group therapy session

aaand because that progress isn't as noticeable as you might want to, Pinka (edited)

Can y'all at least not take out your Matt frustrations on Fel? She's not him guys

1:57 PM

Y'all can talk about him but don't take it out on her

according to Mon - i am (edited)

Well yeah and Mon has already stabilished themselves as uncaring and disrespectful to other opinions.

i just wanted to talk with some tulpamancers who speaks in the same native languages as i do

1:58 PM

that's it

Fazzie

Well yeah and Mon has already stabilished themselves as uncaring and disrespectful to other opinions.

like if it wasn't obvious

You guys are lucky I'm in class rn. I'd be saying a lot to you rn. @Deleted User

1:59 PM

Class starting, I'll be going. Don't get too pent up on Mon, Fel. There's better people to spend your time on.

Fazzie

Well yeah and Mon has already stabilished themselves as uncaring and disrespectful to other opinions.

It's you who have established yourself as hostile here, in my point of view. I'm sorry if you feel offended by my opinions but hostility hasn't been my intention. Feel free to argue with me later if you want to.

Fazzie

Class starting, I'll be going. Don't get too pent up on Mon, Fel. There's better people to spend your time on.

yeah,you're right...

2:01 PM

sorry for contributing in that all

2:01 PM

have a nice day/night folks (edited)

2:01 PM

@Deleted User you're going with me.

In a sense, he is right, there are lot of people you should be talking to instead of me. Like a therapist.

you're very predictable, you know?

2:03 PM

boops your nose

2:03 PM

anyway

2:03 PM

have a nice day,everyone

I know that. But I don't consider it a bad thing.

Deleted User

I refuse to consider you two completely different people in this talk. In my point of view, your conflicting emotions about stuff manifest stronger in either of your identities but eventually all of them belong to a one person who should accept all of the parts and work on it instead of keeping it separate.

And let me underline that I didn't say it to offend you. Splitting your conflicting feelings about people between two identities doesn't seem to bring you any good so far. If you want to work something out with it, you need to realize all of those feelings are yours, regardless of which identity is more attached to them atm.

ah yes, classic "I'm sorry you feel that way"

Fazzie

Hilarity ensues with the weebs. You will get laughed out of most rooms but hey, you can do it. ~~Just don't come near me or tell people that I told you that.~~

I did this, want to join my Pineapple cult?

Dorime

I started the Pineapple cult as a Discordian project and it spiraled into its own movement with a server and everything

4:19 PM

Now people are making unique artwork and writing prayer sheets.

A real bruh moment lmao

spaghetti monster.

Skoda

because you don't want to see

Back. So you're telling me you both changed and no longer blame other people for everything that happens to you. And it's my fault that I don't see he changed? ConfusedUlf

Pinka

Back. So you're telling me you both changed and no longer blame other people for everything that happens to you. And it's my fault that I don't see he changed? ConfusedUlf

kinda

And you don't see how that contradicts?

4:33 PM

4:33 PM

okay then

I mean yeah I'm with Fel here

4:34 PM

I understand if y'all are angry with Matt but c'mon, they're not a median system

4:35 PM

They don't see themselves as the same person; one shouldn't get the blame for what the other did like that

I think I'll keep my opinions on that to myself. For the sake of a civilised conversation. And I'm not necessarily angry with Matt, because like I said, we all tried to help them at some point. But the pattern continues. They joined us shittalking their previous community. They got banned, went to Mon's server and started shittalking us. Now here they are shittalking Mon and us. And I trust Mon enough that whatever he did wasn't out of spite but genuinely earned.

i don't think that we're on the appropiate channel for that convo?

Fazzie

They don't see themselves as the same person; one shouldn't get the blame for what the other did like that

Tulpa as a best way to avoid responsibilities.

Deleted User

In a sense, he is right, there are lot of people you should be talking to instead of me. Like a therapist.

therapists are gay, just make a support tulpa instead

I'm just curious if the day will ever come that they take responsibility for their actions. Instead of placing the fault on everyone else. It's unhealthy to say the least and it leads nowhere. And that's coming from a geniune place of "I don't think they deserve to suffer".

Pinka

I think I'll keep my opinions on that to myself. For the sake of a civilised conversation. And I'm not necessarily angry with Matt, because like I said, we all tried to help them at some point. But the pattern continues. They joined us shittalking their previous community. They got banned, went to Mon's server and started shittalking us. Now here they are shittalking Mon and us. And I trust Mon enough that whatever he did wasn't out of spite but genuinely earned.

Honestly, they just completely depleted our emotional capacity to try to help them at one point and we kicked them out to not feel responsible for them. I feel our community only makes them more harm than good with their current attitude.

fair

Pinka

I'm just curious if the day will ever come that they take responsibility for their actions. Instead of placing the fault on everyone else. It's unhealthy to say the least and it leads nowhere. And that's coming from a geniune place of "I don't think they deserve to suffer".

i thought that neither i or Mat dosen't have to loudly tell everyone and cry that "yes,we are guilty! we caused drama because our entire system was insane!"

4:44 PM

do we?

4:44 PM

i don't think so.

4:44 PM

i am just trying to fix at least a part of what Mat have ruined.

4:45 PM

yet,everything i heard so far is "you are guilty, you did X things, stop demonizing us"

Deleted User

therapists are gay, just make a support tulpa instead

A tulpa can be useful as a therapist (and many other kind of people) substitute to some extent but at some point, a human being might be unable to help themself alone. Also, I understand your bad personal experience with therapists but it doesn't mean they can't help other people.

Skoda

i am just trying to fix at least a part of what Mat have ruined.

It looks like him avoiding responsibility. Honestly, we might have been doing similar things in the past.

Deleted User

It looks like him avoiding responsibility. Honestly, we might have been doing similar things in the past.

yup, it pretty much is

4:47 PM

but do you really think that a tulpa can genuinely want to change their system and act more...normal?

Skoda

but do you really think that a tulpa can genuinely want to change their system and act more...normal?

I think they can and your feelings are genuine.

if you feel like he's "using me" to avoid responsibility - go ahead

4:48 PM

outside of tulpamancy community it might look like that

4:48 PM

remember my intentions while i was running around,screaming all over the place and causing drama?

4:48 PM

i tried to help Mat. (edited)

4:49 PM

just,the actions were absolutely wrong

The problem is that you are still avoiding dealing with your own feelings as a human being. Your separation is a coping mechanism that might make you feel better atm but it's making you avoid the problem instead of solving it.

what's the problem then?

4:50 PM

not seeing our own fault?

4:50 PM

then you're wrong

Deleted User

It looks like him avoiding responsibility. Honestly, we might have been doing similar things in the past.

I'll say that someone avoiding their responsibility with tulpamancy is very irresponsible and something worth being mad at someone for

4:51 PM

But I don't think Fel or Matt are entirely to blame. I think the benefits of tulpamancy outweight that; Fel can help Matt process his feelings a lot better than if he were to do it alone

Skoda

what's the problem then?

Mat still doesn't want to take responsibility, apologize, reconcile. And you isolate yourself from that part, ignore it, try to force things before the whole you is ready for it.

Human connection is integral for self-improvement, even if that connection comes from within.

It's cool you want to reconcile with people, Felicja. But what Mat feels shows that you aren't quite ready for it.

I'm a bit split on this discussion

Deleted User

Mat still doesn't want to take responsibility, apologize, reconcile. And you isolate yourself from that part, ignore it, try to force things before the whole you is ready for it.

"take responsibility" - he got banned already. "apologize and reconcile" - that's mostly because it's better to just act better than apologizing without doing anything (edited)

On one hand I think that hating on Fel for what one of her headmates did is very wrong but on the other hand I can very well see how the system as a whole is doing this all to still have these friendships without having to deal with the issue

just understand that some people (Mat) struggle with apologizing

4:54 PM

even he made progress

Skoda

just understand that some people (Mat) struggle with apologizing

And he should slowly learn to get it better', no?

Fazzie

And he should slowly learn to get it better', no?

yes. but reconcilation requires both sides to want to

4:56 PM

and it seems like they're both just mad at each other

4:56 PM

or rather - annoyed

I don't say he should just make shallow apologizes "for everything" too. You need to realize what kind mistakes you made. Also, I doubt it's only your side that is at fault. But it doesn't mean you aren't responsible for what you did wrong, even if you got provoked.